Yet another OBSERVATION vs. EVALUATION issue

Stefan Sauermann sauermann at
Wed Aug 22 04:30:50 EDT 2012

Dear Karsten, all,
We are at the moment running a working group that defines a "pathology 
report" for Austria, as a means to exchange results across 
organisations. We explicitly do not cover the detailed workflows that 
lead to the report. Tomorrow there will be a meeting on this topic in 
Germany as well. Austria will be represented and there will be 
cooperation. If this group (anybody individually) wishes to join these 
discussions please let me know.

We had a face to face meeting yesterday (vendors, users) and touched the 
topic of "final diagnosis" for patients (not from the coroners office 
but for contributing to treatment). The group decided that there is 
something like a "final diagnosis". (Detailed definition still to come).

I agree to your point that things will always change for living beings. 
However our group decided that it makes sense to exchange results once 
all reasonable considerations have been done according to good clinical 

We are learning a lot and I am more than happy to share and hear 
experiences from this group. Please accept that I believe in limiting 
this exchange to pathology reports and related issues in the first 
place. We do not have time nor resources to discuss solutions for all 
"the rest of the world".

Hope this helps, greetings from Vienna,

Stefan Sauermann

Program Director
Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master)

University of Applied Sciences Technikum Wien
Hoechstaedtplatz 5, 1200 Vienna, Austria
P: +43 1 333 40 77 - 988
M: +43 664 6192555
E: stefan.sauermann at


Am 20.08.2012 16:30, schrieb Karsten Hilbert:
>> and panic attacks/hyper ventilation. These were my inferences about the
>> process inside the patient system.
>>> Only one was true and had to found out via trial and error diagnostics
>> and trial treatments. I fear that the best we can do in most circumstances
>> (as GP) is to code 'Reasons for ..' and do not use the word diagnosis too
>> often.
>> Isn't that what we call 'differential diagnosis'?
>> Anyhow. I agree that these DD or reasons for should be seperated and
>> clearly distinctable from the 'final' diangosis, preferably based on facts and
>> deduction.
> "final" diagnoses mainly exist with the field of pathology/the coroners
> office.
> Karsten
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