openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1

Evelyn Hovenga ehovenga at gmail.com
Thu Feb 20 01:27:14 EST 2014


Hi Pablo,

 

Many thanks for reminding us all about our previous discussions on this
topic.  I have just had a look at the openEHR Foundation Governance
structure and suggest we propose the establishment of an Education/Training
Program responsible to the openEHR Management Board who need to appoint a
Program Leader (you may consider doing this? I’m happy to be your deputy to
get it all started and operational).   We need to generate suitable terms of
reference to be agreed to by the openEHR Foundation Board.  For example we
need to work closely with the other Program leaders who should be able to
assist in identifying some unique roles to get us started in a proper
educationally sound manner.  The focus needs to be on minimum core
knowledge/skill requirements for each role. There needs to be a fair bit of
flexibility in terms of how the training/education is delivered. 

 

The biggest issue I see is funding, as we need someone to manage such a
program, especially once the openEHR Foundation gets into a
certification/licensing/accreditation program as this is heavily reliant on
a proper governance structure.  Also the competency standards themselves
need to be maintained and updated from time to time. Australian has several
Government funded Industry Skills Councils who take on these tasks. An
alternative is for the openEHR Foundation to simply set the standards via
its program and outsource the certification/accreditation process on a user
pays basis.  I guess we need to develop a business case?  I’ll have a go at
that. There are many issues to consider so documenting it in some organised
way should assist the openEHR Foundation in their decision making. 

 

Perhaps we can get Gov’t and other stakeholder funding as it is in their
interest to have a suitably skilled  workforce????  We should also explore
grant opportunities.

 

Evelyn

 


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From: openEHR-clinical [mailto:openehr-clinical-bounces at lists.openehr.org]
On Behalf Of pablo pazos
Sent: Thursday, 20 February 2014 1:14 PM
To: openEHR Clinical
Subject: RE: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1

 

Hi Evelyn,

We had a long discussion a while ago (Jan 2012), we even created a wiki
page, but we didn't get further, IMO because we don't have a clear view of
the certification mechanisms from the foundation.

I'd love to see and participate in an openEHR SIG, but some questions
arises:

Who will coordinate that? How do we engage people to participate? Who will
validate the decisions of the SIG and make them formal? e.g. endorsed by
openEHR foundation, who can participate? who has the right to say who has
the knowledge and capability to be part of the SIG? I can continue :) but I
think I mentioned these a lot of times and got no clear answer, so it seems
I don't ask the right questions, or maybe this is not the place to ask those
question, or (I'm afraid of this last option) the foundation representatives
doesn't know the answers.

As an example, right now there are a lot of groups formally created for each
programme, but we still don't know what can we decide and how those
decisions will be endorsed by the foundation. Also participation is erratic
because our little free time available.

This is the exchange we had a while ago:
http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/2012-
January/006527.html

-- 
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Gutiérrez
http://cabolabs.com <http://cabolabs.com/es/home> 

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From: ehovenga at gmail.com
To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
Subject: RE: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:43:27 +1000

Clearly there are many  openEHR training providers.  May I suggest that the
openEHR foundation consider setting the standards that graduates  of such
training programs need to be able to comply with?  This includes stating
what competencies are needed for the various job roles but also how to
certify trainers themselves to ensure quality and consistency.  The openEHR
Foundation could consider providing an endorsement mechanism for training
organisations.  An openEHR SIG could develop these standards.  

 

Individual countries have their own system of regulating training/education
quality based on educational standards.  For example we are a registered
training organisation (RTO) in Australia able to develop a curriculum that
may be accredited by our national regulator who then approves us to issue an
agreed nationally recognised qualification that fits with the Australian
Qualifications Framework (AQF). All Universities and other training
providers need to comply with that.  We also have specific requirements on
how to write a competency standard – see
http://www.nssc.natese.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0014/71303/TxtCompStand
ardSection.pdf 

 

We have experience working with ITHSDO and HL7 regarding their certification
programs.  I also undertake accreditation of University ICT/SE programs for
the Australian Computer Society and manage our RTO.  We’re happy to
participate.

 

Regards, Evelyn

 


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Prof Evelyn J.S.Hovenga, 

CEO, Director & Trainer


eHealth Education Pty Ltd, RTO 32279
(trading as RSC Training and eHE Training)

:  PO Box 9783,  Frenchville Qld 4701

*   <mailto:e.hovenga at ehe.edu.au> e.hovenga at ehe.edu.au
È  0408309839  '  1300 285 512
8   <http://www.ehe.edu.au/> www.ehe.edu.au  &
<http://www.ehetraining.edu.au/> www.ehetraining.edu.au

 

From: openEHR-clinical [mailto:openehr-clinical-bounces at lists.openehr.org]
On Behalf Of Jussara
Sent: Saturday, 15 February 2014 6:05 AM
To: For openEHR clinical discussions
Cc: openEHR Clinical
Subject: Re: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1

 

We also provide training in openEHR with HL7 Brazil. This year we will
provide the first Online course. We give also in company training.

The Brazilian Health informatics association has introduced a HIT
professional certificate two years ago- ProTICS, where knowledge of clinical
models   Is  one of the desired skills to a health informaticiN, but is
generic. Openehr Brasil is trying to Building a certificate project, but we
want that it could be   internationally acknowledged, and the only way is
pushing the foundation to tackle this issue. My suggestion is to create a
SiG to organize that.  I will propose this on next ínterim board meeting.

Volunteers?

Jussara



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Em Feb 14, 2014, às 4:18 PM, pablo pazos <pazospablo at hotmail.com> escreveu:

Hi Alvin,

 

We (CaboLabs.com) do openEHR training in spanish with ACHISA.org (Chilean
Association of Healthcare Informatics. ACHISA gives a certificate from the
association, but right now there is no formal certificate from openEHR
itself. The course is online, and the fourth edition will start on April
2014. We have a waiting list for the course:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dDlLUmpMX0pzaHJzZ21FMGV
LN1dMUWc6MQ#gid=0

 

More info:
http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/2012/01/conclusiones-del-curso-de-ope
nehen.html
<http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/2012/01/conclusiones-del-curso-de-op
enehr-en.html> 

 

As Ian said, Ocean gives training and certificates also, those instances are
english-based. There are some videos of their training instances on YouTube.
I totally recommend you to take a look at that.

 

Have a nice weekend!

-- 
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Gutiérrez
http://cabolabs.com <http://cabolabs.com/es/home> 

> From: ian.mcnicoll at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:59:59 +0000
> Subject: Re: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1
> To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> 
> Hi Alvin,
> 
> There have been some discussions abut formal openEHR training
> accreditation but nothing concrete has emerged. The individual
> companies like Ocean and Cabolabs that offer training can offer
> certificates of attendance/training.
> 
> Ian
> 
> On 13 February 2014 09:24, Alvin Marcelo <alvin.marcelo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Just Wanted to know if there's is a certification training/program for
> > openehr?
> >
> > On Feb 13, 2014 5:18 PM, <openehr-clinical-request at lists.openehr.org>
wrote:
> >>
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> >> 1. Representing HbA1c result (mmol/mol) in AE (Koray Atalag)
> >> 2. Re: Representing HbA1c result (mmol/mol) in AE (Diego Bosc?)
> >> 3. Re: Representing HbA1c result (mmol/mol) in AE (Diego Bosc?)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 03:30:48 +0000
> >> From: Koray Atalag <k.atalag at nihi.auckland.ac.nz>
> >> To: For openEHR clinical discussions <openehr-clinical at openehr.org>
> >> Subject: Representing HbA1c result (mmol/mol) in AE
> >> Message-ID:
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Any idea how to choose mmol/mol for HbA1c result using DV_QUANTITY in
> >> Archetype Editor?
> >> It used to be a proportion (%) but now the international agreement is
to
> >> use this unit which does not come as an option. Wonder if I exists in
UCUM?
> >> This is such a commonly used Lab item - I'm sure someone else must have
> >> hit the issue.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> -koray
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> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:16:39 +0100
> >> From: Diego Bosc? <yampeku at gmail.com>
> >> To: For openEHR clinical discussions
> >> <openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org>
> >> Cc: For openEHR clinical discussions <openehr-clinical at openehr.org>
> >> Subject: Re: Representing HbA1c result (mmol/mol) in AE
> >> Message-ID:
> >>
> >> <CAFx8UwBTEWAZuy=-wdu1JbpSuP2bOMejH6YuBC40z6vX6=b6Gg at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>
> >> Hi Koray,
> >>
> >> UCUM is extensible, you can define new units as long as you follow its
> >> syntax. In this case you are lucky, as mmol/mol (MilliMolesPerMole) is
> >> already used as UCUM unit. You can check it here:
> >> http://www.hl7.de/download/documents/ucum/ucumdata.html
> >>
> >>
> >> I think I also added all these units as valid UCUM units on LinkEHR
> >>
> >>
> >> [image: Im?genes integradas 1]
> >>
> >>
> >> Which is represented in ADL as:
> >>
> >> C_DV_QUANTITY <
> >> property =
> >> <[openehr::507]>
> >> list = <
> >> ["1"] = <
> >> units =
> >> <"mmol/mol">
> >> magnitude =
> >> <|0.0..200.0|>
> >> precision = <|0|>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hope this helps :)
> >>
> >>
> >> 2014-02-13 4:30 GMT+01:00 Koray Atalag <k.atalag at nihi.auckland.ac.nz>:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Any idea how to choose mmol/mol for HbA1c result using DV_QUANTITY in
> >> > Archetype Editor?
> >> >
> >> > It used to be a proportion (%) but now the international agreement is
to
> >> > use this unit which does not come as an option. Wonder if I exists in
> >> > UCUM?
> >> >
> >> > This is such a commonly used Lab item - I'm sure someone else must
have
> >> > hit the issue.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -koray
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > openEHR-clinical mailing list
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> >> >
> >> >
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> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:16:39 +0100
> >> From: Diego Bosc? <yampeku at gmail.com>
> >> To: For openEHR clinical discussions
> >> <openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org>
> >> Cc: For openEHR clinical discussions <openehr-clinical at openehr.org>
> >> Subject: Re: Representing HbA1c result (mmol/mol) in AE
> >> Message-ID:
> >>
> >> <CAFx8UwBTEWAZuy=-wdu1JbpSuP2bOMejH6YuBC40z6vX6=b6Gg at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>
> >> Hi Koray,
> >>
> >> UCUM is extensible, you can define new units as long as you follow its
> >> syntax. In this case you are lucky, as mmol/mol (MilliMolesPerMole) is
> >> already used as UCUM unit. You can check it here:
> >> http://www.hl7.de/download/documents/ucum/ucumdata.html
> >>
> >>
> >> I think I also added all these units as valid UCUM units on LinkEHR
> >>
> >>
> >> [image: Im?genes integradas 1]
> >>
> >>
> >> Which is represented in ADL as:
> >>
> >> C_DV_QUANTITY <
> >> property =
> >> <[openehr::507]>
> >> list = <
> >> ["1"] = <
> >> units =
> >> <"mmol/mol">
> >> magnitude =
> >> <|0.0..200.0|>
> >> precision = <|0|>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hope this helps :)
> >>
> >>
> >> 2014-02-13 4:30 GMT+01:00 Koray Atalag <k.atalag at nihi.auckland.ac.nz>:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Any idea how to choose mmol/mol for HbA1c result using DV_QUANTITY in
> >> > Archetype Editor?
> >> >
> >> > It used to be a proportion (%) but now the international agreement is
to
> >> > use this unit which does not come as an option. Wonder if I exists in
> >> > UCUM?
> >> >
> >> > This is such a commonly used Lab item - I'm sure someone else must
have
> >> > hit the issue.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -koray
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >> > openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org
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