openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 15

Alvin Marcelo alvin.marcelo at gmail.com
Fri Feb 21 15:01:29 EST 2014


Hi Ian,

We will opt for what is available. We are scheduling trainings for China in
July and Manila in November.

In communication now with Heather Leslie..

A certificate of proficiency will definitely be a plus. A certificate of
attendance will suffice if that is what's currently  available..

Thanks!


alvin




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> Hi Alvin,
>
> In theory I agree but if the Board is going to certify it needs to
> have an established governance and certification infrastructure, some
> way of reviewing course content etc. All of that takes time and
> resource, and doing it on a global basis with translation issues etc
> is pretty demanding.
>
> I'm not saying it could not or should not be done but I can only see
> it happening if someone drives it as a business opportunity (and
> risk). I think that is much more likely to happen at regional level
> unless sufficient money can be generated to support a central
> certification infrastructure, bearing in mind that establishing such
> an infrastructure is an up-front requirement.
>
> There are parallels with the Industry Group who want to establish
> technical system and organisation accreditation. There is a good
> business case for this since it helps prevent competitors unfairly
> claiming openEHR compliance. As such the Group is prepared to
> pump-prime and guide development of the accreditation requirements and
> infrastructure, and I would expect a fair proportion of the Industry
> group membership fees to be used for this purpose.
>
> I am not sure that internationally there are enough economic drivers
> to support something similar in Training. At national or regional
> level this may be the case. The crunch will come when there is a more
> competitive market, where clearly sub-standard or nominal openEHR
> training is being offered by competitors.
>
> An alternative approach might be for those of us who are offering
> training to think more in terms of a an 'openEHR trainers' group,
> effectively a trade association. That might allow more organic
> development of 'assured' training programs.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> On 21 February 2014 08:41, Alvin Marcelo <alvin.marcelo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Ian,
> >
> > A regional approach might work for us in AeHIN. If the board can
> authorize a
> > regional provider, we can discuss details with them...but since it is an
> > openEHR certification, it should be Board-authorized...
> >
> > alvin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 3:59 PM,
> > <openehr-clinical-request at lists.openehr.org> wrote:
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> >> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 07:58:25 +0000
> >> From: Ian McNicoll <ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com>
> >> To: For openEHR clinical discussions
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> >> Subject: Re: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1
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> >>
> >> Hi Pablo / Evelyn,
> >>
> >> Some very good suggestions and proposals which I am sure the the Board
> >> would consider very carefully. There have been Board discussions about
> >> getting Training Certification established via an Academic Partnership
> >> group, but finding someone with the bandwidth to take this on has been
> >> difficult.
> >>
> >> My main concern is resource and funding. Everyone has to remember that
> the
> >> Foundation currently operates with zero income stream, and even when we
> >> start to get Industry Partners membership fees, these will be tightly
> >> ring-fenced to support API / RM / tooling development.
> >>
> >> It would be nice to think that the Foundation has resources to 'invest'
> in
> >> training certification but I do not see any immediate prospect of that
> >> being a reality. The only way that it is going to happen is if some
> >> individual / organisation sees setting up and running a training
> >> certification (endorsed by the Foundation) as a business opportunity.
> >>
> >> I agree with Evelyn that this is not a trivial task, particularly trying
> >> to
> >> work on a global basis, with appropriate governance structures and
> making
> >> sure that the system works fairly. It would have to work so that the
> >> Certifying body took some sort of percentage of course fees but would
> need
> >> quite a bit of investment of time and money to set up.
> >>
> >> I am not wholly convinced, at this point, that there is a big enough
> >> market
> >> in openEHR training (or enough providers) to make this a viable
> business,
> >> at least as a global activity. If there is local/regional interest, it
> >> might be possible to have training certification run on a regional
> basis,
> >> under the auspices of Localisation groups. This can also take advantage
> of
> >> local training certification/governance arrangements e.g in the UK there
> >> are some very tentative discussions to establish openEHR certification
> >> under the auspices of one of the UK Health informatics professional
> >> bodies.
> >> That seems to me much more managable.
> >>
> >> In summary, if a proposal for a global openEHR training certification
> >> service was received by the Board, I am sure it would be looked on
> >> favourably, but I am pretty certain it would need to be self-funding and
> >> personally I am not convinced that there is a sufficient market for
> >> openEHR
> >> training to make this sort of service viable at an international level.
> >>
> >> Sorry to sound negative but we do need to be realistic. The Board can
> >> offer
> >> support and 'validation' but realistically it is most unlikely to be
> able
> >> to offer investment.
> >> Ian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 21 February 2014 02:12, pablo pazos <pazospablo at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Evelyn,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Many thanks for reminding us all about our previous discussions on
> this
> >> > topic.  I have just had a look at the openEHR Foundation Governance
> >> > structure and suggest we propose the establishment of an
> >> > Education/Training
> >> > Program responsible to the openEHR Management Board
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It's a wonderful idea. We can start the proposal by setting a template
> >> > structure like:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >    1. context: why are we doing this? what do we think is missing? how
> >> >    the objectives will help to spread openEHR (spreading the work
> should
> >> > a
> >> >    common objective of all the programmes)
> >> >    2. objectives: what can we improve?
> >> >    3. plan & methodology: what should we do to reach the objectives?
> >> >    4. conditions: what we need to make this happen? from the
> foundation,
> >> >    from the community, funding, endorsement, sponsorships, ...
> >> >    5. time frame: when to start? when do we need to see results? (I
> >> > would
> >> >    like to manage this as a project with concrete results and
> decisions
> >> > taken
> >> >    in a constrained time frame)
> >> >    6. ...
> >> >    7. ...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > who need to appoint a Program Leader (you may consider doing this? I'm
> >> > happy to be your deputy to get it all started and operational).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I can do the job, but only if I'm endorsed by the foundation and the
> >> > community. I would like to know what others think about this. I'm sure
> >> > there are a lot of people more capable than me on organizing this
> kinds
> >> > of
> >> > things, I'm just a doer, not a politician nor a 100% academic guy :)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > We need to generate suitable terms of reference to be agreed to by the
> >> > openEHR Foundation Board.  For example we need to work closely with
> the
> >> > other Program leaders who should be able to assist in identifying some
> >> > unique roles to get us started in a proper educationally sound manner.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Totally agree, e.g. localization is key on training, so we need to be
> >> > close to the localization programme (right now we're a little stuck
> >> > there.
> >> > Personally, I'm trying to coordinate some common actions with openEHR
> >> > Brazil, where I'm acting as coordinator to the openEHR in spanish
> >> > community).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   The focus needs to be on minimum core knowledge/skill requirements
> for
> >> > each role. There needs to be a fair bit of flexibility in terms of how
> >> > the
> >> > training/education is delivered.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Do you mean knowledge for people participating in the Education
> >> > Programme
> >> > ? Or the skill set a trainer should have? What are those "roles" you
> >> > mention?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The biggest issue I see is funding, as we need someone to manage such
> a
> >> > program, especially once the openEHR Foundation gets into a
> >> > certification/licensing/accreditation program as this is heavily
> reliant
> >> > on
> >> > a proper governance structure.  Also the competency standards
> themselves
> >> > need to be maintained and updated from time to time. Australian has
> >> > several
> >> > Government funded Industry Skills Councils who take on these tasks. An
> >> > alternative is for the openEHR Foundation to simply set the standards
> >> > via
> >> > its program and outsource the certification/accreditation process on a
> >> > user
> >> > pays basis.  I guess we need to develop a business case?  I'll have a
> go
> >> > at
> >> > that. There are many issues to consider so documenting it in some
> >> > organised
> >> > way should assist the openEHR Foundation in their decision making.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > IMO, the first step is to have a group of people interested in
> education
> >> > and certification of openEHR related knowledge / skill sets, to create
> >> > the
> >> > programme. Then I think we need to come up with different educational
> >> > levels (basic/introductory, intermediate, advanced, expert), different
> >> > roles (clinical, informatician, project management, knowledge
> >> > management,
> >> > ...), and the matching topics we consider should be taught to those
> >> > roles,
> >> > for each level (is a matrix).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Then we can analyze different kinds of educational sessions that can
> be
> >> > done: workshops, master classes, courses (long/short),
> >> > talks/presentations,
> >> > ... for each of these kinds we can propose some kind of formal
> >> > certification from openEHR foundation.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Of course, we need to have a place to think about how and who will
> train
> >> > trainers than can give those kinds of sessions, to get a certificate
> >> > from
> >> > openEHR foundation.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Then think about costs, funding, how the foundation will get money in
> >> > interchange of endorsing the training instances and certifications,
> how
> >> > much that will cost (IMO should be based on a %). But we can have
> >> > courses
> >> > in one hand, and exams in the other (is like when getting certified
> with
> >> > PMP from PMI you pay for the course and for the exam).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Also, I think is key that we reach a common core of topics that should
> >> > be
> >> > taught in all the introductory/intermediate courses, then each
> educator
> >> > can
> >> > make local changes. But I don't know if we can agree on having a
> common
> >> > basic set of materials (presentations, documents, papers, practices,
> >> > etc).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps we can get Gov't and other stakeholder funding as it is in
> their
> >> > interest to have a suitably skilled  workforce????  We should also
> >> > explore
> >> > grant opportunities.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > If there's real interest of having a formal way of train and
> certificate
> >> > students, I think all I mentioned before doesn't need to be funded. I
> >> > think
> >> > is the investment we have to do to be endorsed by the foundation to
> >> > train
> >> > people. I would love to have an "openEHR foundation logo" on the
> openEHR
> >> > course in spanish I've designed more than 4 years ago as an "openEHR
> >> > foundation approved" course, and give certificates formally approved
> by
> >> > openEHR foundation. I'm sure that can bring us to the next level in
> >> > openEHR
> >> > education. And I'm sure my course can be complemented by other
> courses,
> >> > english based also! And I would love to recommend other "endorser by
> >> > openEHR foundation" courses to my students, so they can improve their
> >> > skills.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The main problem I see right now is how we engage openEHR boards to
> take
> >> > action and decide on this things. Of course, presenting the proposal
> to
> >> > create the programme committee will be the first step!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > All the best,
> >> >
> >> > Pablo.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Evelyn
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [image: EHE logo tree]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Prof Evelyn J.S.Hovenga,
> >> >
> >> > CEO, Director & Trainer
> >> >
> >> > *eHealth Education Pty Ltd, RTO 32279*
> >> > (trading as RSC Training and eHE Training)
> >> >
> >> > :  PO Box 9783,  Frenchville Qld 4701
> >> >
> >> > *  e.hovenga at ehe.edu.au
> >> > ?  0408309839  '  1300 285 512
> >> > 8  www.ehe.edu.au  & www.ehetraining.edu.au
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > *From:* openEHR-clinical [mailto:
> >> > openehr-clinical-bounces at lists.openehr.org] *On Behalf Of *pablo
> pazos
> >> > *Sent:* Thursday, 20 February 2014 1:14 PM
> >> > *To:* openEHR Clinical
> >> > *Subject:* RE: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi Evelyn,
> >> >
> >> > We had a long discussion a while ago (Jan 2012), we even created a
> wiki
> >> > page, but we didn't get further, IMO because we don't have a clear
> view
> >> > of
> >> > the certification mechanisms from the foundation.
> >> >
> >> > I'd love to see and participate in an openEHR SIG, but some questions
> >> > arises:
> >> >
> >> > Who will coordinate that? How do we engage people to participate? Who
> >> > will
> >> > validate the decisions of the SIG and make them formal? e.g. endorsed
> by
> >> > openEHR foundation, who can participate? who has the right to say who
> >> > has
> >> > the knowledge and capability to be part of the SIG? I can continue :)
> >> > but I
> >> > think I mentioned these a lot of times and got no clear answer, so it
> >> > seems
> >> > I don't ask the right questions, or maybe this is not the place to ask
> >> > those question, or (I'm afraid of this last option) the foundation
> >> > representatives doesn't know the answers.
> >> >
> >> > As an example, right now there are a lot of groups formally created
> for
> >> > each programme, but we still don't know what can we decide and how
> those
> >> > decisions will be endorsed by the foundation. Also participation is
> >> > erratic
> >> > because our little free time available.
> >> >
> >> > This is the exchange we had a while ago:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/2012-January/006527.html
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Kind regards,
> >> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> >> > http://cabolabs.com <http://cabolabs.com/es/home>
> >> > ------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > From: ehovenga at gmail.com
> >> > To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> >> > Subject: RE: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1
> >> > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:43:27 +1000
> >> >
> >> > Clearly there are many  openEHR training providers.  May I suggest
> that
> >> > the openEHR foundation consider setting the standards that graduates
>  of
> >> > such training programs need to be able to comply with?  This includes
> >> > stating what competencies are needed for the various job roles but
> also
> >> > how
> >> > to certify trainers themselves to ensure quality and consistency.  The
> >> > openEHR Foundation could consider providing an endorsement mechanism
> for
> >> > training organisations.  An openEHR SIG could develop these standards.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Individual countries have their own system of regulating
> >> > training/education quality based on educational standards.  For
> example
> >> > we
> >> > are a registered training organisation (RTO) in Australia able to
> >> > develop a
> >> > curriculum that may be accredited by our national regulator who then
> >> > approves us to issue an agreed nationally recognised qualification
> that
> >> > fits with the Australian Qualifications Framework (AQF). All
> >> > Universities
> >> > and other training providers need to comply with that.  We also have
> >> > specific requirements on how to write a competency standard - see
> >> >
> >> >
> http://www.nssc.natese.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0014/71303/TxtCompStandardSection.pdf
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > We have experience working with ITHSDO and HL7 regarding their
> >> > certification programs.  I also undertake accreditation of University
> >> > ICT/SE programs for the Australian Computer Society and manage our
> RTO.
> >> >  We're happy to participate.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Regards, Evelyn
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [image: EHE logo tree]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Prof Evelyn J.S.Hovenga,
> >> >
> >> > CEO, Director & Trainer
> >> >
> >> > *eHealth Education Pty Ltd, RTO 32279*
> >> > (trading as RSC Training and eHE Training)
> >> >
> >> > :  PO Box 9783,  Frenchville Qld 4701
> >> >
> >> > *  e.hovenga at ehe.edu.au
> >> > ?  0408309839  '  1300 285 512
> >> > 8  www.ehe.edu.au  & www.ehetraining.edu.au
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > *From:* openEHR-clinical [
> >> >
> >> > mailto:openehr-clinical-bounces at lists.openehr.org<
> openehr-clinical-bounces at lists.openehr.org>]
> >> > *On Behalf Of *Jussara
> >> > *Sent:* Saturday, 15 February 2014 6:05 AM
> >> > *To:* For openEHR clinical discussions
> >> > *Cc:* openEHR Clinical
> >> > *Subject:* Re: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > We also provide training in openEHR with HL7 Brazil. This year we will
> >> > provide the first Online course. We give also in company training.
> >> >
> >> > The Brazilian Health informatics association has introduced a HIT
> >> >  professional certificate two years ago- ProTICS, where knowledge of
> >> > clinical models   Is  one of the desired skills to a health
> >> > informaticiN,
> >> > but is generic. Openehr Brasil is trying to Building a certificate
> >> > project,
> >> > but we want that it could be   internationally acknowledged, and the
> >> > only
> >> > way is pushing the foundation to tackle this issue. My suggestion is
> to
> >> > create a SiG to organize that.  I will propose this on next ?nterim
> >> > board
> >> > meeting.
> >> >
> >> > Volunteers?
> >> >
> >> > Jussara
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Enviado via iPad
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Em Feb 14, 2014, ?s 4:18 PM, pablo pazos <pazospablo at hotmail.com>
> >> > escreveu:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Alvin,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > We (CaboLabs.com) do openEHR training in spanish with ACHISA.org
> >> > (Chilean
> >> > Association of Healthcare Informatics. ACHISA gives a certificate from
> >> > the
> >> > association, but right now there is no formal certificate from openEHR
> >> > itself. The course is online, and the fourth edition will start on
> April
> >> > 2014. We have a waiting list for the course:
> >> >
> >> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dDlLUmpMX0pzaHJzZ21FMGVLN1dMUWc6MQ#gid=0
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > More info:
> >> >
> >> >
> http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/2012/01/conclusiones-del-curso-de-openehen.html
> <
> http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/2012/01/conclusiones-del-curso-de-openehr-en.html
> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > As Ian said, Ocean gives training and certificates also, those
> instances
> >> > are english-based. There are some videos of their training instances
> on
> >> > YouTube. I totally recommend you to take a look at that.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Have a nice weekend!
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Kind regards,
> >> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> >> > http://cabolabs.com <http://cabolabs.com/es/home>
> >> >
> >> > > From: ian.mcnicoll at gmail.com
> >> > > Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:59:59 +0000
> >> > > Subject: Re: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1
> >> > > To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Alvin,
> >> > >
> >> > > There have been some discussions abut formal openEHR training
> >> > > accreditation but nothing concrete has emerged. The individual
> >> > > companies like Ocean and Cabolabs that offer training can offer
> >> > > certificates of attendance/training.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ian
> >> > >
> >> > > On 13 February 2014 09:24, Alvin Marcelo <alvin.marcelo at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > > Hi all,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Just Wanted to know if there's is a certification training/program
> >> > > > for
> >> > > > openehr?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Feb 13, 2014 5:18 PM,
> >> > > > <openehr-clinical-request at lists.openehr.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > >>
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> >> > > >> Message: 1
> >> > > >> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 03:30:48 +0000
> >> > > >> From: Koray Atalag <k.atalag at nihi.auckland.ac.nz>
> >> > > >> To: For openEHR clinical discussions <
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> >> >
> >> >
> B1CE708E5C614F4BB990E32CC5F03AD4706B4B4C at uxcn10-tdc01.UoA.auckland.ac.nz>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Hi,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Any idea how to choose mmol/mol for HbA1c result using
> DV_QUANTITY
> >> > > >> in
> >> > > >> Archetype Editor?
> >> > > >> It used to be a proportion (%) but now the international
> agreement
> >> > > >> is
> >> > to
> >> > > >> use this unit which does not come as an option. Wonder if I
> exists
> >> > > >> in
> >> > UCUM?
> >> > > >> This is such a commonly used Lab item - I'm sure someone else
> must
> >> > have
> >> > > >> hit the issue.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Cheers,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> -koray
> >> > > >>
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> >> > >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> ------------------------------
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Message: 2
> >> > > >> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:16:39 +0100
> >> > > >> From: Diego Bosc? <yampeku at gmail.com>
> >> > > >> To: For openEHR clinical discussions
> >> > > >> <openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org>
> >> > > >> Cc: For openEHR clinical discussions <
> openehr-clinical at openehr.org>
> >> > > >> Subject: Re: Representing HbA1c result (mmol/mol) in AE
> >> > > >> Message-ID:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> <CAFx8UwBTEWAZuy=-wdu1JbpSuP2bOMejH6YuBC40z6vX6=
> b6Gg at mail.gmail.com>
> >> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Hi Koray,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> UCUM is extensible, you can define new units as long as you
> follow
> >> > > >> its
> >> > > >> syntax. In this case you are lucky, as mmol/mol
> (MilliMolesPerMole)
> >> > > >> is
> >> > > >> already used as UCUM unit. You can check it here:
> >> > > >> http://www.hl7.de/download/documents/ucum/ucumdata.html
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I think I also added all these units as valid UCUM units on
> LinkEHR
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> [image: Im?genes integradas 1]
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Which is represented in ADL as:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> C_DV_QUANTITY <
> >> > > >> property =
> >> > > >> <[openehr::507]>
> >> > > >> list = <
> >> > > >> ["1"] = <
> >> > > >> units =
> >> > > >> <"mmol/mol">
> >> > > >> magnitude =
> >> > > >> <|0.0..200.0|>
> >> > > >> precision = <|0|>
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Hope this helps :)
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> 2014-02-13 4:30 GMT+01:00 Koray Atalag
> >> > > >> <k.atalag at nihi.auckland.ac.nz
> >> > >:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> > Hi,
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Any idea how to choose mmol/mol for HbA1c result using
> >> > > >> > DV_QUANTITY
> >> > in
> >> > > >> > Archetype Editor?
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > It used to be a proportion (%) but now the international
> >> > > >> > agreement
> >> > is to
> >> > > >> > use this unit which does not come as an option. Wonder if I
> >> > > >> > exists
> >> > in
> >> > > >> > UCUM?
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > This is such a commonly used Lab item - I'm sure someone else
> >> > > >> > must
> >> > have
> >> > > >> > hit the issue.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Cheers,
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > -koray
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > > >> > openEHR-clinical mailing list
> >> > > >> > openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> > >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> ------------------------------
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Message: 3
> >> > > >> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:16:39 +0100
> >> > > >> From: Diego Bosc? <yampeku at gmail.com>
> >> > > >> To: For openEHR clinical discussions
> >> > > >> <openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org>
> >> > > >> Cc: For openEHR clinical discussions <
> openehr-clinical at openehr.org>
> >> > > >> Subject: Re: Representing HbA1c result (mmol/mol) in AE
> >> > > >> Message-ID:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> <CAFx8UwBTEWAZuy=-wdu1JbpSuP2bOMejH6YuBC40z6vX6=
> b6Gg at mail.gmail.com>
> >> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Hi Koray,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> UCUM is extensible, you can define new units as long as you
> follow
> >> > > >> its
> >> > > >> syntax. In this case you are lucky, as mmol/mol
> (MilliMolesPerMole)
> >> > > >> is
> >> > > >> already used as UCUM unit. You can check it here:
> >> > > >> http://www.hl7.de/download/documents/ucum/ucumdata.html
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I think I also added all these units as valid UCUM units on
> LinkEHR
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> [image: Im?genes integradas 1]
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Which is represented in ADL as:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> C_DV_QUANTITY <
> >> > > >> property =
> >> > > >> <[openehr::507]>
> >> > > >> list = <
> >> > > >> ["1"] = <
> >> > > >> units =
> >> > > >> <"mmol/mol">
> >> > > >> magnitude =
> >> > > >> <|0.0..200.0|>
> >> > > >> precision = <|0|>
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Hope this helps :)
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> 2014-02-13 4:30 GMT+01:00 Koray Atalag
> >> > > >> <k.atalag at nihi.auckland.ac.nz
> >> > >:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> > Hi,
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Any idea how to choose mmol/mol for HbA1c result using
> >> > > >> > DV_QUANTITY
> >> > in
> >> > > >> > Archetype Editor?
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > It used to be a proportion (%) but now the international
> >> > > >> > agreement
> >> > is to
> >> > > >> > use this unit which does not come as an option. Wonder if I
> >> > > >> > exists
> >> > in
> >> > > >> > UCUM?
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > This is such a commonly used Lab item - I'm sure someone else
> >> > > >> > must
> >> > have
> >> > > >> > hit the issue.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Cheers,
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > -koray
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
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> >> > > >> > openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org
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> >> > > >> >
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