openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 35, Issue 9

WILLIAM R4C wgoossen at results4care.nl
Wed Mar 11 16:50:40 EDT 2015


OK Martin,

I look forward to see OpenEHR in action in Friesland and all, would welcome implementation case reports!


Vriendelijke groet,

Dr. William Goossen

Directeur Results 4 Care BV
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>   1. Re: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 35, Issue 7 (Ian McNicoll)
>   2. Re: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 35, Issue 7 (Talmon (CRISP))
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> From: Ian McNicoll <ian at freshehr.com>
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> Thanks Martin
> 
> Can I ask other openEHR vendors to equally report on successful deployments
> both here and by updating the web page that Thomas pointed to?
> 
> William has a point that openEHR has been guilty of hiding its successful
> evolution from research to implementation. I know of a number of other
> projects that have been deployed or are near to doing so.
> 
> Implementers -we need you to tell us of your success.
> 
> Ian
>> On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 at 18:40, Martin van der Meer <martin at code24.nl> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello William,
>> 
>> The mental institutes GGZ Friesland, GGZ Noord-Holland-Noord and GGZ
>> Drenthe are all customers of Code24 where our openEHR based solutions are
>> extensively used in their production environment. At site GGZ Friesland an
>> openEHR server cluster is operational with more than 7 million openEHR
>> objects.
>> 
>> I would suggest we meet up in the near future to talk further about these
>> real world implementations. Of course a site visit at one or more of our
>> customers is also possible.
>> 
>> Best regards, Martin
>> 
>> On 11 March 2015 at 18:01, Thomas Beale <thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 11/03/2015 16:33, WILLIAM R4C wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Tom,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your comments.
>>> 
>>> It is getting a long tail, so I will break it down in small pieces.
>>> 
>>> Glad we agree on the need for binding to ontologies.
>>> I see no need to wait for BFO 2.0 where 1.0 is available.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> well, the ontology specialists, including Stefan Schultz and Barry Smith
>>> say otherwise. There are issues that need to be solved specifically germane
>>> to ontology use in SemanticHeathNet, that BFO 2 should solve. But BFO2 is
>>> just one element. As you know, the ontology side of things also potentially
>>> involves OGMS, IAO, and other things that all need work internally, and for
>>> which integrations with DCMs are only just being understood.
>>> 
>>> Our model challenge will be exactly to handle such differences of different ontologies all the time.
>>> 
>>> Glad we agree on GCM being helpful in analysis.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> well I don't - I don't see what use it is. I was saying just the opposite.
>>> 
>>> My point of no EHR implementations is supported again by your answer. Yes there are many CKM instances and archetype developing projects.
>>> 
>>> I followed your link to who is using...
>>> 
>>> I SEE NO REFERENCE to a hospital I can visit running an EHR using archetypes. Similarly No GP or No nursing system in your list. It all seem to be pilots and trials or systems with viewers and partial functionality.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please see this page -
>>> http://www.openehr.org/who_is_using_openehr/healthcare_providers_and_authorities
>>> 
>>> The second column is the name of the hospital, health authority, or other
>>> provider that is using an openEHR system. The only entries on this page are
>>> real contracted systems, no demonstrations.
>>> 
>>> Row 1 happens to mention 140 hospitals. Row 2 mentions 50 GP sites. If
>>> you don't want to visit Australia, fair enough...
>>> 
>>>   - Most hospitals in Norway now have openEHR in some form, via DIPS
>>>   Arena.
>>>   - Ljubljana Medical Centre is the Marand Think!EHR system, fully
>>>   openEHR.
>>>   - Slovenia's national e-health network is openEHR
>>>   - Moscow's health record system is openEHR (recently transitioned
>>>   from pilot to production project)
>>>   - Code24 has systems in Netherlands and I think in Romania.
>>>   - etc
>>> 
>>> Hopefully this is clear now.
>>> 
>>> - thomas
>>> 
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> I think there are other venues where success stories are useful. What could be useful is a Case report paper demonstrating the added value of the OpenEHR approach (e.g. refuse of resources like archetypes, etc). We have had a few papers taking 13606 as a starting point. I know there are journals that are open for such contributions. We have had a few papers taking 13606 as a starting point.  I haven?t seen many of the OpenEHR community being active at e.g. the implementation mailing list of AMIA (but that requires membership of AMIA). Getting out the message in the American hemisphere is also useful.
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> 
> Regards
> 
> Jan
> 
> On 11 mrt. 2015, at 19:58, Ian McNicoll <ian at freshehr.com<mailto:ian at freshehr.com>> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Martin
> 
> Can I ask other openEHR vendors to equally report on successful deployments both here and by updating the web page that Thomas pointed to?
> 
> William has a point that openEHR has been guilty of hiding its successful evolution from research to implementation. I know of a number of other projects that have been deployed or are near to doing so.
> 
> Implementers -we need you to tell us of your success.
> 
> Ian
> On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 at 18:40, Martin van der Meer <martin at code24.nl<mailto:martin at code24.nl>> wrote:
> Hello William,
> 
> The mental institutes GGZ Friesland, GGZ Noord-Holland-Noord and GGZ Drenthe are all customers of Code24 where our openEHR based solutions are extensively used in their production environment. At site GGZ Friesland an openEHR server cluster is operational with more than 7 million openEHR objects.
> 
> I would suggest we meet up in the near future to talk further about these real world implementations. Of course a site visit at one or more of our customers is also possible.
> 
> Best regards, Martin
> 
> On 11 March 2015 at 18:01, Thomas Beale <thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com<mailto:thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com>> wrote:
> On 11/03/2015 16:33, WILLIAM R4C wrote:
> 
> Dear Tom,
> 
> Thanks for your comments.
> 
> It is getting a long tail, so I will break it down in small pieces.
> 
> Glad we agree on the need for binding to ontologies.
> I see no need to wait for BFO 2.0 where 1.0 is available.
> 
> well, the ontology specialists, including Stefan Schultz and Barry Smith say otherwise. There are issues that need to be solved specifically germane to ontology use in SemanticHeathNet, that BFO 2 should solve. But BFO2 is just one element. As you know, the ontology side of things also potentially involves OGMS, IAO, and other things that all need work internally, and for which integrations with DCMs are only just being understood.
> 
> 
> Our model challenge will be exactly to handle such differences of different ontologies all the time.
> 
> Glad we agree on GCM being helpful in analysis.
> 
> well I don't - I don't see what use it is. I was saying just the opposite.
> 
> 
> My point of no EHR implementations is supported again by your answer. Yes there are many CKM instances and archetype developing projects.
> 
> I followed your link to who is using...
> 
> I SEE NO REFERENCE to a hospital I can visit running an EHR using archetypes. Similarly No GP or No nursing system in your list. It all seem to be pilots and trials or systems with viewers and partial functionality.
> 
> 
> 
> Please see this page - http://www.openehr.org/who_is_using_openehr/healthcare_providers_and_authorities
> 
> The second column is the name of the hospital, health authority, or other provider that is using an openEHR system. The only entries on this page are real contracted systems, no demonstrations.
> 
> Row 1 happens to mention 140 hospitals. Row 2 mentions 50 GP sites. If you don't want to visit Australia, fair enough...
> 
> *   Most hospitals in Norway now have openEHR in some form, via DIPS Arena.
> *   Ljubljana Medical Centre is the Marand Think!EHR system, fully openEHR.
> *   Slovenia's national e-health network is openEHR
> *   Moscow's health record system is openEHR (recently transitioned from pilot to production project)
> *   Code24 has systems in Netherlands and I think in Romania.
> *   etc
> 
> Hopefully this is clear now.
> 
> - thomas
> 
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