Machine Learning , some thoughts

Bert Verhees bert.verhees at
Mon Jun 25 07:30:30 EDT 2018

On 25-06-18 12:44, Anastasiou A. wrote:
> The time scales for doing this would be enormous. We can probably work out a lower limit by looking at the lifecycle of archetypes
> in the current CKM.

Thanks, for your answer, I agree with you and others, and already wrote 
that, that an EHR will not be good enough for machine learning.

I was too optimistic and to much impressed by some results of machine 
learning. It will do very good things in healthcare, but only on very 
specific cases.

But while writing this

What would be good, however, an improvement. I suggested to my wife (a 
GP), and she agreed (partly)

Classic EHR software only has few datapoints on a screen, and many 
particularities come into free text, and if the GP is really motivated, 
maybe he finds some ICPC code.

Archetypes do not really change this practice. A GP is a busy person.

What could help is modularity. A GP should be able to add datapoints to 
his screen. For example, beside all the normal things, the GP sees that 
there are red eyes, but how can he make this available to the system in 
a way that it can be found back?

What about micro-archetypes which describe only one datapoint? And the 
GP should be able to invoke them by voice. He says "red eyes" and magic 
happens, there is a datapoint on the screen which offers a possibility 
to click on a checkbox. Eventually a choice, A bit red, medium red, very 

This kind of software does not have to be something for the far future, 
but can be available already now.

Also thanks to machine learning, a limited form of NLP (natural language 
expression (machine learning helping with NLP) can be used, and that was 
my idea of generating archetypes, last Saturday. A computer could, in 
some cases of simple datapoints, also even generate micro-archetypes for 
them, and with templates or container-archetypes, generate 

Maybe, when it is so easy to create datapoints, and store them, maybe 
then machine learning in diagnostic can come closer, also in some cases 
for a GP, or machine learning can do suggestion: look to the tongue of 
the patient, but the fact remains, a good GP needs experience for 


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