wellness, lifestyle, sports archetypes ... or templates?

Thomas Beale thomas.beale at openehr.org
Fri Jun 29 09:03:34 EDT 2018

In fact, I think Athanasios was advocating this approach in the other 

I think that what you are describing is something like "An automated approach to constructing disease specific 'Minimal Clinical Datasets'".

Once you have this minimal dataset discovered, THEN you could compose the template or automatically create the archetypes.

And yes, this CAN be done today, definitely.

- thomas

On 29/06/2018 14:01, Thomas Beale wrote:
> To the extent that I have thought about this area (not deeply), I 
> suspect that clinical models for these types of use probably should 
> take the form of templates that 'mix in' multiple bits and pieces from 
> existing clinical archetypes.
> A complex of data elements that you might expect from a (say) person 
> on a rowing machine will be some typical vital signs (breathing, heart 
> rate, O2 sat, real time blood analytes?, maybe some computed 
> derivatives, vO2 etc) - which will mostly already exist (maybe not 
> vO2) PLUS a bunch of machine parameters, like resistance, settings, 
> etc. These latter almost certainly don't have archetypes today, but 
> making them should not hard for those who work with this kind of data.
> The point is that we should use templates to create the somewhat ad 
> hoc data mashups that will result from these kinds of measurements. 
> Even just pedometer + heart data will be a small mashup of heart rate, 
> steps taken, GPS location etc. If you decide you need a new mashup, 
> just specialise the template, or throw it away and make a new one. The 
> data will all be reliable, assuming your underlying archetypes are 
> relatively stable.
> This is not quite what I said in the previous discussion, but it seems 
> to me the more likely way of doing the modelling. The reason for 
> somewhat ad hoc nature of such templates is that the data groups are 
> probably not as scientific as illness related classic healthcare ones.
> Others may have better ideas, interested to hear from anyone who works 
> with this kind of data.
> - thomas
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Thomas Beale
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