<div dir="ltr">Hi Bert,<div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:12.8px">suggest the underlying DV-QUANTITY uses the UCUM unit which is represented by the LOINC-code"</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">That is not actually quite correct, any given LOINC code can be associated with a range of different units, and are only examples i.e do not restrict others. LOINC sometimes uses different codes for different classes of unit, not for specific units.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">It does also have terms for the base substance e.g. <a href="http://r.details.loinc.org/Part/LP14355-9.html">http://r.details.loinc.org/Part/LP14355-9.html</a> but when querying you would then to query on all of the variations of 'creatinine'. Even more messy!</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">But if you want to clearly associate a specific LOINC code with valid unit(s) then it is possible to do that as I suggested before.</span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>Ian</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Dr Ian McNicoll<br>mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859<br>office +44 (0)1536 414994<br>skype: ianmcnicoll<br>email: <a href="mailto:ian@freshehr.com" target="_blank">ian@freshehr.com</a><br>twitter: @ianmcnicoll<br><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"></span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0BzLo3mNUvbAjUmNWaFZYZlZ5djg&revid=0BzLo3mNUvbAjRzZKc0JpUXl2SkRtMDJ0bkdUcUQxM2dqSVdrPQ" width="96" height="30"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Co-Chair, openEHR Foundation <a href="mailto:ian.mcnicoll@openehr.org" target="_blank">ian.mcnicoll@openehr.org</a></span></div><div>Director, freshEHR Clinical Informatics Ltd.<br>Director, HANDIHealth CIC<br>Hon. Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 February 2017 at 12:56, Bert Verhees <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bert.verhees@rosa.nl" target="_blank">bert.verhees@rosa.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks David for your reply,<div><br></div><div>Just for the discussion, adding the LOINC-code to the element would suggest the underlying DV-QUANTITY uses the UCUM unit which is represented by the LOINC-code. That could cause a semantic error-situation.</div><div><br></div><div>The problem is that LOINC uses (sometimes) different codes for different units, especially when the units are not easy interchangable, like mol and g (gram)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Op wo 15 feb. 2017 om 13:49 schreef David Moner <<a href="mailto:damoca@gmail.com" target="_blank">damoca@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">I agree with Ian, at least for your case those those LOINC codes could be used to bind the container Element, but not the unit itself. Units are coded using UCUM standard, so they are already semantically queryable/interpretable.</div><div class="gmail_extra m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_extra m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">2017-02-15 13:25 GMT+01:00 Bert Verhees <span dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:bert.verhees@rosa.nl" class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" target="_blank">bert.verhees@rosa.nl</a>></span>:<br class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">That is indeed a way to do it. But I believe the feeling here is to not do it that way, and add no LOINC-term-binding to dv_quantity if this is the situation<div class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Thanks for your attention and solution</div><div class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Bert<br class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Op wo 15 feb. 2017 om 13:17 schreef Ian McNicoll <<a href="mailto:ian@freshehr.com" class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" target="_blank">ian@freshehr.com</a>>:<br class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544h5 m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Hi Bert,<div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Then I am not understanding your use-case.</div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">You can use the template to constrain the lab units and/or code to be whatever you want. If there is actually a choice of possible units/codes, then I suggest that you create 2 contraints in the template one for each combination of code + unit.</div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">As far as I can see that will do what you need.</div></div><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Ian</div></div><div class="gmail_extra m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br clear="all" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691gmail_signature m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Dr Ian McNicoll<br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">mobile <a href="tel:+44%207752%20097859" value="+447752097859" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" target="_blank">+44 (0)775 209 7859</a><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">office <a href="tel:+44%201536%20414994" value="+441536414994" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" target="_blank">+44 (0)1536 414994</a><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">skype: ianmcnicoll<br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">email: <a href="mailto:ian@freshehr.com" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" target="_blank">ian@freshehr.com</a><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">twitter: @ianmcnicoll<br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></span></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0BzLo3mNUvbAjUmNWaFZYZlZ5djg&revid=0BzLo3mNUvbAjRzZKc0JpUXl2SkRtMDJ0bkdUcUQxM2dqSVdrPQ" width="96" height="30" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></span></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-61267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<br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_extra m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">On 15 February 2017 at 12:06, Bert Verhees <span dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:bert.verhees@rosa.nl" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" target="_blank">bert.verhees@rosa.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Ian,<div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">The problem is that we want to constrain the user in units which .</div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">And the purpose of the coding would be to make the data which are stored, queryable/interpretable/<wbr>interchangeable over the coding (if every unit-use in dv_quantity would have a coding)</div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Bert</div></div><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Op wo 15 feb. 2017 om 12:53 schreef Ian McNicoll <<a href="mailto:ian@freshehr.com" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" target="_blank">ian@freshehr.com</a>>:<br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691h5 m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Hi Bert,<div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">I don't understand the use-case here.</div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_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<br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_extra m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">On 15 February 2017 at 11:42, Bert Verhees <span dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:bert.verhees@rosa.nl" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" target="_blank">bert.verhees@rosa.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Thanks Ian for the quick response. <div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">From practical point of view you are right.</div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">I think we need follow this advice.<br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">But now let's look at it from the Reference Model or LOINC point of view, maybe there some change would be welcome.</div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">The problem is that different used units in measurements which are exact the same for the rest (method, substance, purpose), sometimes translate to a different LOINC-code.<br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">In openEHR-archetypes (mostly used to build software) we want to constrain the sender in the units he can choose. We don' t want our software to translate every possible unit to the unit we want to process. So that is why we offer some units for the sender to choose from. This constraining is done in DV-QUANTITY, following the openEHR-specs it is in UCUM syntax (it does not say UCUM-unit <a href="http://www.openehr.org/releases/RM/Release-1.0.3/docs/data_types/data_types.html#_dv_quantity_class" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.openehr.org/<wbr>releases/RM/Release-1.0.3/<wbr>docs/data_types/data_types.<wbr>html#_dv_quantity_class</a> ).<br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">To be sure that the sender is using the constrained units and measuring the constrained item we need some coding. I was worried because of some discussion on an OpenEHR list in 2014, which discussed a similar problem. ( <a href="http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org/2014-November/003393.html" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://lists.openehr.org/<wbr>pipermail/openehr-clinical_<wbr>lists.openehr.org/2014-<wbr>November/003393.html</a> )</div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">So, imho, the possibility to add LOINC-coding (or coding in general) to different unit-kinds in the dv_quantity-class to tell us what we are looking at, would be a good feature to support interoperability. <br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Bert Verhees</div></div></div></div></div></div><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Op wo 15 feb. 2017 om 11:53 schreef Ian McNicoll <<a href="mailto:ian@freshehr.com" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" target="_blank">ian@freshehr.com</a>>:<br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299h5 m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Hi Bert,<div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">I don't think this is helpful. The source of truth in dv_quantity should always be the unit. I would not trust the LOINC code. It should be the responsibility of the original sender/documenter to make sure the correct LOINC code was used to match the SI unit. I would think this advice would apply whether one was using hl7v2, FHIR, CDA or openEHR.</div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229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<br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">On 15 February 2017 at 10:37, Bert Verhees <span dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:bert.verhees@rosa.nl" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" target="_blank">bert.verhees@rosa.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-612678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911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Thanks</div><span class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703m_8081715381084021581HOEnZb m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg"><div class="m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893m_7215728832938891299m_4617123835693504703gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196m_-1409207135015799691m_-8646995911670144893gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280m_-6126789815415106544m_6444286501817229196gmail_msg m_5935966707583086280gmail_msg">Bert Verhees</div></font></span></div>
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