difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

Ian McNicoll ian at freshehr.com
Wed Aug 26 08:23:20 EDT 2015


It is definitely on the openEHR Specifications Roadmap. That was a clear
decision at the Oslo meeting a year ago. There are at least 3
implementations that I know of and more back-end vendors are intending to
implement but I know what you mean 'technically';)

I agree that AQL is RM agnostic but am not aware of any non-openEHR
implementations @Diego/ Gerard??

Ian





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On 26 August 2015 at 13:12, Seref Arikan <serefarikan at kurumsalteknoloji.com>
wrote:

> Well, technically, it is not part of the openEHR scope either. Happy to be
> corrected :)
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Ian McNicoll <ian at freshehr.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Diego,
>>
>> I was not aware of any 13606 implementations that support AQL , although
>> I am sure there is some sort of path-based querying. AFAIK AQL is not part
>> of the 13606 scope.
>>
>> Happy to be corrected.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> Dr Ian McNicoll
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>> Co-Chair, openEHR Foundation ian.mcnicoll at openehr.org
>> Director, freshEHR Clinical Informatics Ltd.
>> Director, HANDIHealth CIC
>> Hon. Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL
>>
>> On 26 August 2015 at 13:03, Diego Boscá <yampeku at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with most of the points, but I'm curious why you say that 13606
>>> does not support AQL (and in any case wouldn't be "AQL does not support
>>> 13606"?)
>>>
>>> 2015-08-26 12:32 GMT+02:00 Ian McNicoll <ian at freshehr.com>:
>>>
>>>> This might help a little
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.slideshare.net/atalagk/implementation-and-use-of-iso-en-13606-and-openehr
>>>>
>>>> Similarities:
>>>>
>>>> Both use archetypes and ADL and two-level information modelling.
>>>> Both share the EHR, FOLDERS,COMPOSITIONS, ENTRY, ELEMENT classes.
>>>> Some archetype tools can work with both styles of archetype e.g LinkEHR
>>>> and Archetype Workbench.
>>>> The just announced ADL2 Archetype editor/ template designer tools
>>>> (beware!!! Early developer versions!!)
>>>>
>>>> http://ehrscape.marand.si/designer/template-editor.html
>>>>
>>>> http://ehrscape.marand.si/designer/archetype-editor.html
>>>>
>>>> should be relatively easy to adapt to 13606 or other archetype-based
>>>> reference models such as CIMI. They will be open sourced very soon.
>>>>
>>>> Differences:
>>>>
>>>> The EHR reference models are different
>>>>  In spite of sharing the classes above, the attributes within those
>>>> classes differ
>>>>  openEHR sub-classes ENTRY into ADMIN_ENTRY, OBSERVATION, EVALUATION,
>>>> INSTRUCTION and ACTION
>>>>  The datatypes are different
>>>>
>>>> The demographic models are different
>>>> The EHR Extract formats are different
>>>>
>>>> 13606 is intended primarily for the communication of EHR extracts
>>>> across systems but some persistence repositories exist.
>>>> openEHR is intended primarily for data persistence and querying within
>>>> systems but it is possible to message openEHR data.
>>>>
>>>> 13606 does not (currently) support templates but ADL/AOM2 is being
>>>> considered
>>>> 13606 does not support AQL Archetype Query Language
>>>>
>>>> 13606 is  formal ISO standard but is closed source i.e. behind a
>>>> paywall, as in normal for ISO published material
>>>> openEHR is open source and freely available
>>>>
>>>> There is a great deal of cross-communication between the two
>>>> communities and a number of people work with both formalisms. It is
>>>> possible to transform data between the two formalisms but they are not
>>>> directly compatible.
>>>>
>>>> I hope that is accurate and non-contentious!
>>>>
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr Ian McNicoll
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>>>> office +44 (0)1536 414994
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>>>>
>>>> Co-Chair, openEHR Foundation ian.mcnicoll at openehr.org
>>>> Director, freshEHR Clinical Informatics Ltd.
>>>> Director, HANDIHealth CIC
>>>> Hon. Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL
>>>>
>>>> On 26 August 2015 at 10:14, 王海生 <edwin_uestc at 163.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> dear all ,
>>>>>     how could i  explain to someone difference and relationship
>>>>> between openEHR and EN13606
>>>>> thx
>>>>> --
>>>>> 王海生
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